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The Help
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I have this terrible, dreary feeling in my diaphragm area this morning, and I’m not positive what it’s about, but I blame some of it on this book, which I am not going to finish. I have a friend who is mad at me right now for liking stupid stuff, but the thing is that I do like stupid stuff sometimes, and I think it would be really boring to only like smart things. What I don’t like is when smart (or even middle-brained) writers take an important topic and make it petty through guessing about what they don’t know. I can list you any number of these writers who would be fine if they weren't reaching into topics about which they have no personal experience (incidentally, all writers I'm pretty sure my angry friend loves. For example, The Lovely Bones, The Kite Runner, Water for Elephants, Memoirs of a Geisha, etc.). These are the books for which I have no patience, topics that maybe someone with more imagination or self-awareness could have written about compassionately, without exploiting the victimization of the characters. They’re books that hide lazy writing behind a topic you can’t criticize. The Help is one of these.
You’ve got this narrative telephone game in this book. The telephone game is pretty fun sometimes, and it is really beautiful in monster stories like Frankenstein and Wuthering Heights because what they are telling me is not intended as trustworthy or earnest. All of the seriousness in monster stories is an impression or an emotion reflected back through the layers of narrative. I don’t feel that way about the topic of The Help, though. In this book, a white woman writes from the point of view of a black woman during the Civil Rights movement, who overhears the conversations of white women. It's an important topic, and I don't want to hear it through untrustworthy narrators.
So, I can basically get on board with the dialect of the black maids, but what throws me off as a reader is when the black maid is quoting the white women and they’re all speaking perfect English without a trace of an accent. It becomes particularly weird when one of the black maids starts to comment on the extreme accent of one of the white women, Celia Foote, whose written dialogue continues to be impeccable. Who is this narrator? Why does she choose not to speak proper English if she can speak it? Why does she choose to give proper English to someone else who she has told me doesn't speak it? Also, usually the layers of narration in a telephone-game book are only within the book. In this case, it’s the author’s voice stabbing through the story. I am convinced it is her whose brain hears the white woman speaking TV English, and the black women speaking in dialect. It gives away the game.
Even the quotes from the movie have an example of this. A conversation between her and Minnie goes like this:
Celia Foote: They don't like me because of what they think I did.
Minny Jackson: They don't like you 'cause they think you white trash.
Celia speaks in a proper sentence, but Minny misses the "are" in the second part of the sentence. Celia says "because," but Minny says "'cause." If the reader were supposed to understand that Celia does not speak in dialect, that would make sense, but since it specifically states that she does, it doesn't make sense.
To attempt to be clear, I didn't have a problem that the book was in dialect. I had a problem that the book said, "This white woman speaks in an extreme dialect," and then wrote the woman's dialog not in dialect. Aerin points out in message 111 that I am talking about eye dialect, which is about spelling, not pronunciation, as in the example above. Everyone, in real life, speaks in some form of non-standard English. Though I have seen some really beautiful uses of eye dialect, as Aerin points out, writers typically use it to show subservience of characters or that they are uneducated, which often has racist overtones. If it troubles you that I'm saying this, and you would like to comment on this thread, you may want to read other comments because it is likely someone has already said what you are going to say.
I’m not finishing this one, and it’s not because I think people shouldn’t like it, but rather because I’m almost 100 pages in and I can see the end, and it’s failed to engage me. When a few IRL friends have asked what I thought of the book and I said I didn't care for it, they have told me that I am taking it too seriously, that it is just a silly, fluff book, not a serious study of Civil Rights. Again, I don’t have a problem with stupid books, but when it’s a stupid book disguised as an Important Work of Cultural History, all I want to do the whole time is tear its mask off. And a book about Civil Rights is always important cultural history to me. Anyway, the book becomes unpleasant; I become unpleasant; it’s bad news. If you loved this book, though, (or, really, even if you hated it) I would recommend Coming of Age in Mississippi. I think that book is one of the more important records of American history. Plus, it’s beautifully written, inspirational, and shocking. It's been years since I read it, so I might be giving it an undeserved halo, but I can’t say enough good things about it.
INDEX OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS REVIEW
"You should finish the book before you talk about it": comment 150 (second paragraph); comments 198 and 199.
“Stockett did experience the Civil Rights Era”: comment 154; comment 343.
“The author of The Lovely Bones was raped”: comment 190.
“The author of The Kite Runner is from Afghanistan”: comment 560.
"Memoirs of a Geisha is accurate and not comparable to The Help": comment 574.
“Don’t be so critical!”: comment 475.
“Have you written a bestseller?”: comment 515.
“Fiction doesn’t have to be a history lesson”: comments 157 through 162.
“Having grown up in the South during this era and having had a maid, I could relate to the emotional nuances of this book”: comments 222 and 223.
"Minny and Aibileen are relatable": comment 626
“You are trying to silence authors”: comment 317 and comments 306 through 316.
“Why do you want to read a Civil Rights book about racism and hatred? I would prefer one about friendship and working together”: comment 464.
“Why are there so many votes for such a half-assed review?”: comment 534.
“Authors can write outside of their personal experiences”: comments 569 through 587.
You’ve got this narrative telephone game in this book. The telephone game is pretty fun sometimes, and it is really beautiful in monster stories like Frankenstein and Wuthering Heights because what they are telling me is not intended as trustworthy or earnest. All of the seriousness in monster stories is an impression or an emotion reflected back through the layers of narrative. I don’t feel that way about the topic of The Help, though. In this book, a white woman writes from the point of view of a black woman during the Civil Rights movement, who overhears the conversations of white women. It's an important topic, and I don't want to hear it through untrustworthy narrators.
So, I can basically get on board with the dialect of the black maids, but what throws me off as a reader is when the black maid is quoting the white women and they’re all speaking perfect English without a trace of an accent. It becomes particularly weird when one of the black maids starts to comment on the extreme accent of one of the white women, Celia Foote, whose written dialogue continues to be impeccable. Who is this narrator? Why does she choose not to speak proper English if she can speak it? Why does she choose to give proper English to someone else who she has told me doesn't speak it? Also, usually the layers of narration in a telephone-game book are only within the book. In this case, it’s the author’s voice stabbing through the story. I am convinced it is her whose brain hears the white woman speaking TV English, and the black women speaking in dialect. It gives away the game.
Even the quotes from the movie have an example of this. A conversation between her and Minnie goes like this:
Celia Foote: They don't like me because of what they think I did.
Minny Jackson: They don't like you 'cause they think you white trash.
Celia speaks in a proper sentence, but Minny misses the "are" in the second part of the sentence. Celia says "because," but Minny says "'cause." If the reader were supposed to understand that Celia does not speak in dialect, that would make sense, but since it specifically states that she does, it doesn't make sense.
To attempt to be clear, I didn't have a problem that the book was in dialect. I had a problem that the book said, "This white woman speaks in an extreme dialect," and then wrote the woman's dialog not in dialect. Aerin points out in message 111 that I am talking about eye dialect, which is about spelling, not pronunciation, as in the example above. Everyone, in real life, speaks in some form of non-standard English. Though I have seen some really beautiful uses of eye dialect, as Aerin points out, writers typically use it to show subservience of characters or that they are uneducated, which often has racist overtones. If it troubles you that I'm saying this, and you would like to comment on this thread, you may want to read other comments because it is likely someone has already said what you are going to say.
I’m not finishing this one, and it’s not because I think people shouldn’t like it, but rather because I’m almost 100 pages in and I can see the end, and it’s failed to engage me. When a few IRL friends have asked what I thought of the book and I said I didn't care for it, they have told me that I am taking it too seriously, that it is just a silly, fluff book, not a serious study of Civil Rights. Again, I don’t have a problem with stupid books, but when it’s a stupid book disguised as an Important Work of Cultural History, all I want to do the whole time is tear its mask off. And a book about Civil Rights is always important cultural history to me. Anyway, the book becomes unpleasant; I become unpleasant; it’s bad news. If you loved this book, though, (or, really, even if you hated it) I would recommend Coming of Age in Mississippi. I think that book is one of the more important records of American history. Plus, it’s beautifully written, inspirational, and shocking. It's been years since I read it, so I might be giving it an undeserved halo, but I can’t say enough good things about it.
INDEX OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS REVIEW
"You should finish the book before you talk about it": comment 150 (second paragraph); comments 198 and 199.
“Stockett did experience the Civil Rights Era”: comment 154; comment 343.
“The author of The Lovely Bones was raped”: comment 190.
“The author of The Kite Runner is from Afghanistan”: comment 560.
"Memoirs of a Geisha is accurate and not comparable to The Help": comment 574.
“Don’t be so critical!”: comment 475.
“Have you written a bestseller?”: comment 515.
“Fiction doesn’t have to be a history lesson”: comments 157 through 162.
“Having grown up in the South during this era and having had a maid, I could relate to the emotional nuances of this book”: comments 222 and 223.
"Minny and Aibileen are relatable": comment 626
“You are trying to silence authors”: comment 317 and comments 306 through 316.
“Why do you want to read a Civil Rights book about racism and hatred? I would prefer one about friendship and working together”: comment 464.
“Why are there so many votes for such a half-assed review?”: comment 534.
“Authors can write outside of their personal experiences”: comments 569 through 587.
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Also, does hating Dave Matthews make me racist? Because I hate Dave Matthews.

Also, she doesn't speak English, so actually, she uses the words "colorado" and "Negro" (spelled the same, pronounced differently).
She has nothing against black people, those are just the words she uses.
How she feels about Dominicans, on the other hand.....

Also, this reminds me of the story that I told somewhere, but I forget where, about my ninth-grade class in Ukraine. My favorite student, Artyom, who was really smart, and badass, and my birthday twin, used to ask me these questions that he intended to be very incendiary. One day, he was like, "Miss Holley, how do you feel about the African Americans?"
I said, "Well . . . the same way I feel about anybody else. There are nice African Americans and mean ones."
"Oh," he responded. "We do not have any African Americans in Lozovaya. There are a few, I think, in Kharkov, but Lozovaya is a small town."
"Do you mean African Ukrainians?" I asked. And suddenly all the students turned their heads to me with their eyes wide. It was like you could see their gears turning. Not to be meta-racist, but Ukrainians tend to be very racist.
When I was leaving my town, months later, the kids all came to the train station to help me with my stuff and say goodbye, and Artyom said, "I hope you see many African Ukrainians in Kyiv," he said. Awww.


This did not make sense to me."
I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I never could figure out who west indians are or what they look like.

This did not make sense to me."
I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I never could figure out who west indians are or what they look like."
Nevermind. Just googled it. Duh.


If you want to be vanilla, you can be vanilla. The correct term, however, is white chocolate.

or Fuzzy Navel?"
... odd. I've never heard that one before. Isn't that kind of yellow, though?

Refer that one to your wife, Jason. Or someone else who feels comfortable licking you.
Seriously, I always find comparisons of people's skin, body parts, etc to foodstuffs kind of disturbing. Like many Geddes photographs. People Are Not For Eating! Are they?


All that aside, I can't imagine what compelled you to write a review on a book you got 19% of the way through. Try that at a publishing company or as a book reviewer for any magazine or newspaper and you would find yourself without a job. Your "review" half-assed and unreliable at best. And your overuse of the word "stupid" makes you look, well, stupid.
I'm off to finish the book now.

Oh man, imagine if editors had to read all of every manuscript submitted. That would be a shit job.
That's right. Was would be an overcorrection in that case.
Also, Sparrow is not nitpicking grammar when she mentions Minny dropping the is, she's talking about the use of dialect.

haha, I totally hate this review, too. Fair. And good point about the "are."
"Were" is correct, though. As far as I understand, it is the conditional. That's the thing I made you all look up and teach me a couple of years ago.



I can't blame you for not finishing a book you don't enjoy. But to write a review of a book that you admit you read only 100 pages of...when, in the author's notes at the end, she talks of growing up in Jackson, MS, with an African-American maid, essentially her "Constantine, well it rather refutes your review, and you just come across as condescending.

Comment index ref #s:
comment 150 (second paragraph); comments 198 and 199.
154; comment 343.


Haha, which is why she put an "index of complaints" about her review, directing incoming grievances to their respective solutions. She's like a party line operator.





All in all, I really enjoyed the book. I felt like I could feel the heat and humidity, and could, maybe not relate to, but certainly understand the way Miss Elizabeth had an almost desperate need to be accepted. I enjoyed Miss HIlly's vindictive mother. If we're grading on an ability to make me imagine myself within the story, The Help is a winner. All the same, I don't think it's ever going to be regarded as classic literature.
I'm interested in your response to The Kiterunner, too. The part that you felt was exploitive, to me represented a demonstration that the main character lacked empathy and compassion. I guess if exploitation is based on using a character to demonstrate something about the main character, then it certainly meets the criteria. But I wonder how else you can demonstrate character traits in your main character without having them respond to something that the author does to another?
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. They've got me thinking further :)



Nicole, sorry I forgot to respond earlier. I read your comment at work, and then I forgot to go back to it when I got home. I think I would say that the problem I have with the circumstances in the Kiterunner and here are not so much because of the reactions of the main characters as they are about the perspective of the victim. I think it is fair to write a tragic circumstance that happens to a secondary character, and I think it is fair to write it in such a way as to bring out character traits of the main character.
The problem I have is when the secondary-character/victim is also more concerned with the main character's reaction than their own victimization. That just rings false to me and requires more explanation in the narrative, I think. Like, either the victim is selling something in pretending to not care about his/her own victimization or the victim is seriously mentally ill, and either way, under those circumstances, the interesting thing happening there is not the main character's reaction. The interesting thing becomes the victim selling something or the victim's mental illness in being so concerned with the boring main character.
In those cases, I think the victim's entire perspective has been exploited to the service of the main character's perspective. But, I also think that in the Kiterunner, and here, it is because of bad writing, not because of any kind of plan on the part of the author. I think it's easy enough to imagine a secondary character's self-possessed perspective and the anger or bitterness or pity the secondary characters would feel for the main characters, but in order to do that, to give a more dignified voice to the secondary characters, the authors might have to step a little more out of their own culture and raising.
At the same time, though, I'm thinking about the maids in The Help when I'm talking about secondary characters, and the book is actually from their perspective. So, I think that is a clear illustration of the problem - the maids' voices are hijacked here to tell a story, not about themselves, but about this silly white girl. That, to me, especially when the maids allow the book to become a hot-issue story, is exploitative.


She gave her opinion. I find your opinion even more idiotic. She gave explanation and defended her position. You did not. You could do better by writing a stronger review of your own. Your current one isn't all that helpful, either in encouraging a stranger to read the book or dissuading observers of your outburst here of your mental incapacity.